Based on feedback on the excellent LDS Church Growth blog, I have added the following locations to my list: Tooele and Sandy Utah, Cody Wyoming, and Richmond Virginia. This brings to 25 the total of temples that I feel are most likely to be announced in October. The complete list follows. Thanks for your interest and support!
Nicaragua (Managua); Papua
New Guinea (Port Moresby); Arkansas (Bentonville); Puerto Rico (San
Juan); Kiribati (Tarawa); Sierra Leone (Freetown); Uganda (Kampala); Kenya
(Nairobi); Montana (Missoula); Utah (Tooele/Layton/Lehi/Sandy); Hungary
(Budapest); Nigeria (Lagos); Bolivia (La Paz); South Dakota (Rapid
City); Mexico (Puebla); Chile (Valparaiso); Idaho (Pocatello); New Zealand
(Auckland); Philippines (Davao); Scotland (Edinburgh); Virginia (Richmond); Mongolia (Ulaanbaatar) ;
Spain (Barcelona); Wyoming (Cody); Brazil (Brasilia); Argentina (Neuquen);
Ghana (Kumasi).
Alternative locations: Ivory Coast (2nd and possibly 3rd temples; may be needed due to extreme growth in the area); Kasai or other DR Congo region (Kasai proposed in 2016 by Neil L. Andersen; may be needed due to extreme growth in the area); Vilnius Lithuania (proposed in 1993 by M. Russell Ballard); Maracaibo Venezuela (proposed in 1999 by Gordon B. Hinckley); Singapore (proposed in 2000 by Gordon B. Hinckley); 2nd Southwest Salt Lake Valley temple (proposed in 2005 by Gordon B. Hinckley; more than likely because land has already been purchased for it); as dark horse choices, Oslo Norway and Sandy Utah.
NOTE that the Nairobi Kenya temple was proposed in 1999 by Gordon B. Hinckley and that the Managua Nicaragua temple was proposed by Russell M. Nelson in 2012.
Wednesday, July 20, 2016
List of temples that may be announced soon increases to 30, with alternates suggested
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Sandy Utah is not likely at this point, with Salt Lake shrinking in stakes and members, the most likely scenario is to move the Salt Lake/Jordan River district line, presently thought to be near 33rd South, further down, Draper and Oquirrh Mountain may not need adjusting quite yet although Oquirrh Mountain would if that '48th West' site were finally developed and a temple built there as the Deseret News article implied it would.
ReplyDeleteBut I would also add Heber Valley in instead. Growing member access, good freeway that ends righht at the north end of hte valley and the highway coming in from Provo being wideneed will spur additional growth. Would also service Kamas, Francis, Oakley, Park City/Snyderville, and the towns along I-80, namely Coalville, Wanship, and Echo. The Evanston Stake would be included too since to go south to Vernal in the winter is difficult at best, having a good road like I-80 and the spur freeway to Heber Valley will be a big aid for those members.
Lehi has the matter of the river areas, and industrial on the north side and near the commuter rail line. Many are pointing at Saratoga Springs being the possible site of a temple, or if anywhere in Lehi itself, closer to the Redwood Road area west of the Jordan River itself. Stake splits are hard to do on account of less total member families in each unit but at the same time there are large wards on account of many having multiple young childdren, wards with multiple Primary organizations are not uncommon there, so a stake with 12-14 wards that is not split right away is the norm.
Heber Valley sounds like a good possibility. I will go ahead and substitute that for Sandy. I think I will keep Lehi as a possibility though. Due to my wife growing up there and her still having family there, we are in a special position to know about the growth that has happened there, particularly on the LDS front. And now that Lehi is the "home base" of the YSA stake in the Mount Timpanogos Temple district. All of these factors, coupled with the growth that is still coming on my father-in-law's land development alone, Lehi is one of the safest and most likely candidates for the next Utah temple. At least, that's the way I see it.
DeleteUpon reflection, I think I will keep Sandy and list Heber as an alternate dark horse choice. In my mind, Sandy is more likely than Heber.
DeleteI would also agree that I don't see Sandy getting a temple any time soon, especially if Tooele gets one. Also I see a temple in Saratoga Springs far more than Lehi. The SS and Eagle Mountain area is growing very fast. I do expect some announcements in Utah though since those temples are very crowded and for the first time possibly ever UT does not have 10% of the number of temples.
ReplyDeleteAppreciate the feedback. But again, I have special knowledge about the growth of the Church in Lehi, since my wife's family is from there. Based on what we've observed of the LDS Growth that has taken place, particularly as her dad's land is undergoing substantially development that will bring in dozens if not hundreds of new families, I still see Lehi as more that just a slight possibility. I'm not arguing by any means that SS or Eagle Mountain don't need temples as much as Lehi. But I had to narrow down my Utah choices to just a few to fit them all, and Lehi and Layton seem most likely. Not sure what I will do about Sandy. Enough people have brought up the fact that Sandy's not a good bet that I may be doing some revision work, though I don't know what I would substitute Sandy for. Thanks for the comment, Kenny!
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DeleteRight now Jordan River is down and will be for another year as they do a big remodel on some of the interior of it. They expect that to reopen last half of next year. This accounts for SL County temples being overloaded as members attend one or the other pf the temples currently in the south end of the valley.
ReplyDeleteOgden may be an anomaly when it comes to temple attendance based on anecdotal evidence though, even after the stakes were moved from Ogden to Bountiful temple district, the attendance to perform endowments may not have recovered based on anecdotal evidence. To consider a new temple site, the temple that they might consider building another one near has to be at 80 percent of design capacity consistently based on a statement elsewhere on another blog.
Which would be where? Not sure what you're suggesting. Could you clarify, please? If you have a specific site, name it. I need to know what you have in mind before I can make any solid decision on it. Thanks.
DeleteWhich would be where? Not sure what you're suggesting. Could you clarify, please? If you have a specific site, name it. I need to know what you have in mind before I can make any solid decision on it. Thanks.
DeleteThe 80-percent capacity appears to apply to out-of-Utah temples, when they get busy, that is when they start to look for another good site, using other criteria related to membership, including total numbers, active members, etc., and especially temple attendance and full tithe-payers.
ReplyDeleteUtah may be a whole different animal within the urbanized Wasatch Front, so general growth, plus geographical features, may play a role as well. For the geographical features reason I would put a new temple in far northwest Utah County west of the Jordan River, east of it is probably too close to Mount Timp, but even if they did put one in on the east side of the river, I would say no further east than the freeway. I-15 on the west side comes in to about 7th West American Fork at the furthest east before curving to along the south side of town, so I would say maybe 7th or 9th West American Fork would be a likely east boundary.
But what would the temple's home city be, and what might it be called? You make some good points, but as I'm no geography buff, I can't quite vizualize what you're talking about. Are you talking about a second temple for American Fork, or a temple in another city? Any clarification you can offer would be appreciated.
ReplyDeleteMount Timpanogos is of course in American Fork, on the east side of the city, more towards the north also. It's on what some call '11th East' for part of its run.
ReplyDeleteAmerican Fork blocks are big, same size as those in Salt Lake Clounty, being 6 2/3 to the mile, so that is why I'm thinking that a temple district boundary would come in from either a temple in Saratoga Springs or west Lehi would likely not cross the freeway (I-15).
As to a projected temple site, I lean strongly towards Saratoga Springs or Eagle Mountain, although for purposes of being more central, Saratoga Springs would be a relatively good place since it is between both of the others essentially.
That makes three possible Utah temples that could be announced at some point. Tooele area, Saratoga Springs/Eagle Mountain, and Heber Valley.
Appreciate your feedback. I will give your very excellent observations some thought and will try to make a decision on what to do about my predictions for Utah temples. I am only basing my Lehi prediction on what I know of growth in that area. But now that I have more information from you, I'm not sure what to do about it. I did know about the Mount Timpanogos Temple being in American Fork. It was at the Mount Timp. temple that I met and married my wife of nearly six years. From your preliminary comments, I couldn't tell if you were trying to suggest a second American Fork temple. I will give this new information due consideration and make a choice based on what I feel is most likely, whether I keep it the same or change it. Thanks for the comment.
ReplyDeleteJust did some deeper research. While Saratoga Springs or Eagle Mountain's distance from Mount Timp. does make a temple there possible, of the three cities, Lehi has more stakes than the other two combined. I think I will therefore keep my Lehi prediction. As far as the objections about where the site for a Lehi temple might be, my wife, a Lehi resident, does know of a location or two that might be good for it. What I will do though, to appease those who keep insisting that Eagle Mountain or Saratoga Springs would be a good location, is to list either city as a possible alternate. Would that be satisfactory?
DeleteHow likely would a second temple in Cache Valle be? How busy is the Logan temple? Would that depend on how many stakes will go to the new Star Valley Temple?
ReplyDeleteA second temple for Cache Valley might be likely. I personally think other temples in Utah are more likely before that happens, but time alone will tell.
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DeleteUpon thinking about it and doing the research, it doesn't appear that Cache Valley has grown enough for a second temple just yet. Here's what I'll do though. I will add a possible second temple for Logan on my list of alternative locations. Would that be satisfactory?
DeleteUpon thinking about it and doing the research, it doesn't appear that Cache Valley has grown enough for a second temple just yet. Here's what I'll do though. I will add a possible second temple for Logan on my list of alternative locations. Would that be satisfactory?
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ReplyDeleteWhat are the chances for Uganda, Mozambique, or Madagascar? A Second temple for Venezuela or (Chile or Argentina's 3rd),Brasilia, Belo Horizontal Brazil? Any thoughts?
ReplyDeleteUganda is very likely due to the LDS presence. Mozambique and Madagascar will probably be more likely once the LDS presence picks up. I am predicting several African temples this time around due to excessive Church growth in Africa. I am also predicting several for South America. Chile and Argentina are also likely to receive temples. Of the many sites, I feel that Brasilia is most likely for Brazil (though Belo Horizonte is a close runner up for sure), Valparaiso for Chile, and I did have another in mind for Mexico, but I didn't feel it made the cut on this list. I would welcome any further feedback. Based on what was said above, I would appreciate hearing what others feel about the most likely site for a another temple within the Mount Timpanogos Temple District. Some have spoken in support of my Lehi prediction, while others favor Eagle Mountain or Saratoga Springs. I would welcome more feedback on this.
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ReplyDeleteI hope no one minds, but the system duplicated some comments, so I went ahead and erased those comments that appear twice. I have revamped the list again based on feedback from you all. The new list is at the location below. Any further discussion should take place there. I look forward to seeing what you think. Thanks!
ReplyDeletehttp://stokessoundsoff.blogspot.com/2016/07/slight-revamp-and-expansion-of-list-of.html