Hello again, everyone! Apparently, since my last post on the subject, two additional articles have been featured on the Church News website. Although the Tabernacle Choir's tour wrapped up about a week ago, articles continued to be published covering their experiences. In the most recent one, the biggest fans of the Choir and the weekly Music & the Spoken Word are featured, along with the connections they have to the Choir. And on the off-chance that I have missed covering any articles published about the Choir, the Church News section devoted to that subject can be found here.
In the meantime, the Church News also continued providing articles leading up to Utah's Pioneer Day (which will be observed in just six days). In this latest one, 5 reasons are given as to why the Church's pioneering heritage should be especially honored by and important to members of the Church worldwide this year.
I continue to monitor Church news as it happens, and will do my best to pass such developments on to you ASAP after I learn of them. That does it for this post. Any and all comments are, as always, welcome and appreciated. Thank you for the privilege of your time. If you enjoyed what you read here and would like to stay informed of new content, please feel free to subscribe. Until my next post, I wish each one of you all the best and pray that the Lord will bless you all in everything you do.
Wednesday, July 18, 2018
Continuing Church News Coverage
I have had a lifelong love for Church history, which has extended to ongoing reports of the ministry of our apostles and prophets, General Conference, and all temple developments. This blog enables me to share that love with all who read my thoughts on these developments, which are sometimes reported multiple times per day as needed.
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Saratoga Spring LDS Temple facebook page there is a property rendering and site proposal sent to the city.
ReplyDeleteThere are at least two Facebook pages under that search term, I found it on the one that shows the aream otherwise unidentified, with the profile and cover image for the page being that same picture facing east from where it was taken.
DeleteBest reference for this is from Pony Express and Redwood, about 1 1/2 miles south, then a similar distance west on what is now likely an undeveloped street to be named 'Founders Blvd'. The area between the site mentioned and Redwood has no development presently, with a little closer to the curve on Redwood at the south end and more closer to Pony Express.
Hello, Kenny & James Anderson! Thanks for your comments. I just barely did a blog post covering this development and also the announced call of the first president for the Durban South Africa Temple.
DeleteWhile it will indeed be very exciting if the proposal truly is for the Saratoga Springs Utah Temple, until the Church or city confirms that this is the case, it may only be speculation. That said, if that is confirmed in the next few weeks, that temple may join the Bangkok Thailand and Urdaneta Philippines Temples in likely having a groundbreaking before the end of this year.
Additionally, we have seen that temples in Utah, and particularly in Utah County, generally get their construction started well in advance of temples in other counties of Utah or elsewhere in the US, and also at times well in advance of their international counterparts. So these developments will certainly be something to watch in the coming days. In the meantime, I got the information I shared here about the SS temple from the LDS Church Temples official Facebook page, which can be found at the address below:
https://www.facebook.com/ldschurchtemples/
In the meantime, the calling of the first president for the Durban South Africa Temple can be verified at the link below. The latest information I heard on that temple was that it would be dedicated in mid-to-late 2019, but the fact that the first president has been called may indicate that will occur sooner than anticipated.
https://www.ldschurchnews.com/callings/2018-07-19/meet-the-new-temple-president-and-matron-called-to-serve-in-south-africa-47624
I also recall you, James Anderson, in a previous thread, noting that the Church often calls the first president of a new temple well in advance to enable him to have time to assemble his staff before the temple opens.
Even so, the Durban temple was not one for which I anticipated the first president being announced this year, so there is a possibility that it could be closer to completion and dedication than many (myself included) may have been led to believe. Thanks again, James Anderson and Kenny, for taking time to share your thoughts.
That Durban announcement is well ahead of announcements for any in the last few years. Provo City Center was announced just weeks before the announcements of the open house dedication, but we can't use that as a hard rule, but there may bee other things where they needed to extend the call earlier than usual. But they will for the most part always precede an announcement of the dedication date, although the time will always vary.
DeleteThe amount of time between an announcement of a dedication date will also vary, even at the late stages ofconstruction there are still variables that will mean these announcements will always vary in amount of time. Other factors we are not privy to will also always be involved in the timing of things
Hi, James Anderson! The latest update I received on the likely timing for the Durban South Africa Temple dedication indicated that would likely take place in mid-to-late 2019. Could the announcement of this first president mean that temple might be dedicated earlier than anticipated? Perhaps. But as you noted above, there are many factors that go into how soon such announcements are made, some of which may not be known to us. For that reason, I will be watching for anything that would indicate that the Durban dedication will be sooner than we might have been led to believe. But at the same time, I will not in any way be surprised if that dedication is set to occur within the last 4-6 months of 2019, which is its' currently anticipated rough time-frame.
DeleteIn the meantime, while I recently offered my thoughts that the groundbreaking for the SS temple might only occur in early-to-mid 2019, I may be adjusting that slightly to between late 2018 and early 2019. As of right now, that temple is currently considered to be the third of the announced temples that are most likely to have a groundbreaking soon. If the Church or the city verifies anytime soon that the development in question is for that temple, a groundbreaking may simply be a matter of time. Thanks again for the additional feedback, James Anderson.
As to Saratoga Springs, the plans can be extensive that they gave the City. Provo City Center's plans ran 800 pages, they were dropped off one day and somehow were left on the counter ast the zoning department office here and someone I know was there on unrelated business and saw that. It could well be that someone found this but there may be a lot more that the City got, it could take at least a couple of months just to review, then set up things with the planning commission for their meeting to approve the site plan, building plan, etc., and that can still take months. My guess is not this fall although Saratoga Springs is small enough still they might be able to process all that material faster.
DeleteJames Anderson, thank you for these additional details. I freely admit that I am not familiar with every nuance related to how temples are announced and progress to the construction process, then on to dedication. That said, I have become somewhat adept at evaluating ongoing developments to project potential timelines that, if not completely in accord with what actually occurs, are as close as I can get based on the information I have analyzed to make such projections. I knew a long time ago (perhaps as long ago as the end of last year or the early months of this year) that the SS temple was being designed. I would have to look back on my reports on this blog to know for sure how long ago that was. Anyways, my point is that, although we will not be sure that the development in question is being prepared for the temple, or that a groundbreaking in Saratoga Springs is becoming more imminent, I would surmise that the groundbreaking will likely not take place in the fall, but could occur between November of this year and April or so of nest year.
DeleteI also know that it has been common for temples in Utah generally and in Utah County specifically to have a groundbreaking more swiftly after their announcement than their counterparts in other areas of Utah, the United States, and worldwide.
If I have read the information correctly, the Mount Timpanogos Utah Temple had its' groundbreaking almost exactly a year after its' announcement. For the Payson Utah Temple, the period of time between announcement and groundbreaking was 18.5 months. With the Provo City Center temple being built from an existing shell, that temple's groundbreaking followed just 7 months after its' announcement. And the Provo Utah Temple's groundbreaking came less than two years after its' announcement.
This suggests to me that the SS temple may have something similar occur, and for that reason, the late 2018-early 2019 estimate seems reasonable to me.
I also know that SS is a smaller community only incorporated around 20-25 years ago. But that may not indicate much in terms of the anticipated size of that temple. If current reports are correct, once the SS temple is completed, that is anticipated to split the current Mount Timpanogos district roughly in half, and will likely serve (at minimum) the stakes in SS, Eagle Mountain, and Lehi.
For that reason, the temple in SS may need to be more medium-sized than small. I also heard through the grapevine that there is a possibility that, with the two Provo temples being fairly busy, once the SS temple is dedicated, some of the stakes here in Orem may possibly be reassigned to the Mount Timpanogos Temple district.
Of course, all of this is speculative at best. Until an official announcement is made, the rumors are nothing more than potentially true. But it will surely be interesting to see what happens regarding all of this, for which I will continue to try and pass along more information as I have it. Thanks again, James Anderson.