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Sunday, March 3, 2019

Revised Annotated List of Prospective Temple Locations

Hello again, everyone! Before I get to the actual topic of this post, I wanted to note upcoming content which will be featured on this blog in the near future. In addition to covering all new Church news and temple developments, I plan to post my next apostolic milestone updates in a two-part post series one week from today. There will also likely be some significant degree of coverage leading up to, during, and directly following the dedication of the Rome Italy Temple, which is set to occur over a three-day period beginning one week from today as well. So be on the lookout for those updates here as I receive word on such developments.

Now, to the main purpose of this post: With my thanks to ScottS, who has read and commented on my blog for a while now, I have recently completed a massive overhaul of the list of potential locations which seem to be most likely to have a temple announced in General Conference next month. That involved finding ways to limit my notes to one per area. As a result, each note is slightly more lengthy and extensive than they would otherwise be, but the number of notes needed overall has decreased by a whopping two-thirds.

Hopefully this version of the list will be easier to read and understand. And while I no longer extensively detail my rationale behind each choice, if any of you have any questions for me on any particular candidate city, I'd be more than happy to address them. The reason those notes had been so extensive previously was due to my having some issues with losing track of a thought or statement midway through (which, as my wife could tell you, proves to be exasperating at the best of times), so by being more detailed, I was able to retain my train of thought. But after analyzing what was really necessary information, I have completed a full revision of this section.

The reworked list of prospective temple locations for the April 2019 General Conference follows below. A roughly one-month commenting period will be in effect until I have to do the final tweaks to this list before the April General Conference weekend. In order to not disturb the flow of that information or the notes, I will end here and now as I always do:. That does it for this post. Any and all comments are, as always, welcome and appreciated. on any post at any time, as long as such comments are made in accordance with the established guidelines.

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Temple predictions: 3+ temples announced in any of the locations below[i]

Africa Southeast[ii]: Antananarivo Madagascar; Second DR Congo Temple (in Mbuji-Mayi or Lubumbashi; Maputo Mozambique; Kampala Uganda
Africa West[iii]: Freetown Sierra Leone; Kumasi Ghana; Monrovia Liberia; Yamoussoukro Ivory Coast; Benin City Nigeria
Asia[iv]: Ulaanbaatar Mongolia; Jakarta Indonesia; Singapore; Taichung Taiwan; Hanoi Vietnam
Asia North[v]: Osaka Japan
Brazil[vi]: Belo Horizonte; Florianopolis; João Pessoa Ribeirão Preto
Caribbean: Kingston Jamaica[vii]
Central America[viii]: Coban Guatemala; San Pedro Sula Honduras
Europe[ix]: Budapest Hungary; Edinburgh Scotland; Vienna Austria; Oslo Norway
Mexico: Queretaro Mexico[x]
Middle East/Africa North: Abu Dhabi United Arab Emirates[xi]
Pacific[xii]: Port Moresby Papua New Guinea; Tarawa Kiribati; Pago Pago American Samoa; Neiafu Vava'u Tonga; Savaii Samoa
Philippines[xiii]: Bacolod/Tacloban Philippines
South America Northwest[xiv]: Santa Cruz/La Paz Bolivia; Iquitos Peru; Cali/Medellin Colombia
South America South[xv]: Antofagasta/Valparaiso Chile; Neuquen/Rosario Argentina; Ciudad del Este Paraguay

North America (including the United States and Canada) [xvi]:
Canada[xvii]: Victoria British Columbia; Lethbridge Alberta
North America Central[xviii]: Missoula Montana; Pueblo Colorado; Wichita Kansas; Green Bay Wisconsin; Des Moines Iowa; Rapid City South Dakota
North America Northeast[xix]: Cleveland Ohio; Pittsburgh Pennsylvania; East Brunswick New Jersey; Augusta Maine; Montpelier Vermont
North America Northwest: Fairbanks Alaska[xx]
North America Southeast[xxi]: Jackson Mississippi; Shreveport Louisiana; Jacksonville Florida; Knoxville Tennessee; Savannah Georgia
North America Southwest[xxii]: Bentonville Arkansas; Fort Worth Texas; Las Cruces New Mexico; Flagstaff Arizona; Elko/Ely Nevada
North America West: Bakersfield California[xxiii]
Utah[xxiv]: Herriman/Heber City/Tooele/Washington County Utah; Preston Idaho; Evanston Wyoming



[i]Some have offered their opinion that, with 19 new temples announced last year alone (which has resulted in a current backlog of 27 temples, though 3 others have a groundbreaking scheduled to occur roughly one month after this conference), no new temples may be announced this go-round. While I understand (and appreciate) the rationale behind such comments, from what others and I myself have directly or indirectly heard, President Nelson may unveil his temple expansion plans during this conference. Whether he does or not, the locations below (grouped by area, then by likelihood within that area) represent the most likely locations in which I feel such temples may be announced during this conference.
[ii]The Africa Southeast Area has experienced significant Church growth. With 1 dedicated temple in the area currently, there are 2 under construction (1 of which will be dedicated the week after conference, with the other anticipated to follow in 4-6 months), and 2 others announced (both of which have had sites procured, and could therefore have a groundbreaking either later this year or early next year), I have found 5 other potential locations which may get a temple in the near future. Most of these candidates are based on the mileage to the current temple(s), travel rigor, or oversized temple districts. Additionally, Uganda, Madagascar, and Mozambique are fifth, seventh, and ninth respectively on the list of top ten nations with the strongest Church presence that do not have a temple in any phase. Madagascar is my top pick for this area. And in reference to a second DR Congo Temple, I have personally favored Lubumbashi, but a recent report on the Church growth blog pointed to the idea that a temple in Mbuji-Mayi might be more imminently needed, so I have prioritized that pick.
[iii]The same factors I referenced above in previously (about significant Church growth, the mileage and rigors involved, and temple district sizes) also applies to the Africa West Area, as reflected by the five candidate cities listed here. With only 2 temples currently operating, one more other construction, and one announced, the Church growth blog noted recently that West Africa could have at least 13 operating temples by 2030. There are a couple of big differences, though. Only two of the five candidates do not have a temple in any phase. The two are Sierra Leone and Liberia, which rank as the second and sixth respectively on the aforementioned top ten list.  Sierra Leone is my top pick for this area. And while it may be difficult to know how soon a second Ivory Coast temple and a third Nigerian temple may be announced, I have felt confident enough in my picks to justify their selection.
[iv]The Asian Saints, whose ability to practice their faith has been somewhat limited at times by governmental regulations, are nonetheless very faithful, as evidenced by recent temple announcements for that continent. With the Hong Kong and Taipei temples serving the Saints currently, the one in Bangkok is under construction, and two others have been announced for Bengaluru and Phnom Penh. The factors first mentioned in previously above also apply to the Asia Area, which is the largest geographically in the Church. Of the locations listed, Mongolia is my favored pick, since that nation is eighth on the aforementioned top ten list. Also, President Hinckley publicly proposed a temple in Singapore, and Vietnam is a dark-horse pick that I included based on reports of Church growth in the area.
[v]The Asia North Area of the Church has seen some stagnated growth, to the point where some have suggested that that area could be merged with the Asia Area. While I understand the thinking behind that, and while I would not be surprised if such a merge occurs in the near future, I have evaluated the area and seen at least one prospective location where a temple could be built, with the main reasoning being the factors previously mentioned in previously.
[vi]Brazil has been a Church stronghold for a while now. With six temples currently in operation, both the Fortaleza and Rio de Janeiro Brazil Temples will be dedicated within the next year, during which time the Brasilia Brazil Temple is likely to have a groundbreaking occur. With two other temples (Belem and Salvador) awaiting a site announcement and groundbreaking, some may feel that more Brazilian temples may be delayed. But my research indicates that, due to the factors mentioned in previously, these cities are the next most likely locations to have a temple announced. I personally favor Belo Horizonte, but would be happy if any or all of these cities have a temple announced this go-round.
[vii]This city is another dark-horse pick, but is on the list due to the factors mentioned in previously, but also due to someone suggesting it elsewhere. And given what President Nelson has done in terms of the 19 temples he announced last year, Kingston could be another location for a smaller temple. 
[viii]A Church member living and working in the Central America Area kindly informed me that a second temple to serve the current Guatemala City temple district is the most imminent prospect for the future in this area. As I studied that opinion, I concurred with him that Coban would likely be the next Central American city in which a temple will be announced. But I also feel (based on general consensus and according to my research) that a San Pedro Sula temple may be on the horizon sooner rather than later, so both cities are listed.
[ix]The situation of Saints living on the European continent is somewhat interesting. Where there are centers of strength, significant growth has occurred. But in many European nations, the Church has experienced some stagnated growth, which has necessitated discontinuing some congregations in order to strengthen others within the last year or two. But due to the factors I first mentioned in previously, it appears likely that most (if not all) of the candidate cities that follow in this section could get a temple, even if only a smaller one.  
[x]The relevant factors in notes 13 and 20 also apply in a way to Mexico (where centers of strength have seen excellent growth in some respects, but in others, massive congregational consolidates have also occurred within the last couple of years. Based on these facts, it may be difficult to know how soon another temple may be announced for Mexico, especially since one was announced for Puebla last October. But the city of Queretaro has been identified by a Church member living in Mexico as likely to get a temple in the near future, so that city is on this list.  
[xi]As recently as a year ago, if someone had suggested a temple for the Middle East/Africa North Area, I would have dismissed it as an impossibility. But within the last year, we have seen President Nelson announce temples to serve either a very small region or else regions that are isolated or affected by the factors mentioned in previously. And while it is true that military personnel constitute the main membership of the Church in this area (which might make staffing a temple problematic), a recent report on the Church growth blog about the UAE has me convinced a temple in Abu Dhabi may simply be a matter of time.
[xii]The Pacific area is another stronghold of Church growth. With 10 temples currently operating there (and one other announced), it seems logical to assume that other temples will be needed to serve the area. Most (if not all) of the factors I mentioned in previously apply equally to this area. Additionally, New Guinea, Kiribati, and American Samoa are ranked first, third, and fourth respectively on the aforementioned top ten list of nations. So I have no doubt the Pacific Area will see temples announced in each of these cities within the next decade, if not sooner.
[xiii]The Church has two operating temples in the Philippines (Manila and Cebu City). The temple announced in October 2010 for Urdaneta had a groundbreaking ceremony in January. And with the last 3 sets of temple announcements, the Philippines has seen temples announced for the greater Manila area (which will be located in Muntinlupa City), Cagayan de Oro, and Davao. If that is any indication of what might happen in the future, then other temples may be needed for the Philippines
[xiv]The entire South American continent has experienced massive Church growth. Having previously discussed Brazil, in reference to the South America Northwest Area, I wanted to observe that there are 7 operating temples there. 1 more is currently under construction in Arequipa Peru (for which a dedication is anticipated before the end of this year) Two others have been announced: the Lima Peru Los Olivos and Quito Ecuador Temples, both of which could have a groundbreaking within the next 2-3 years, though hopefully sooner if all goes well. And while I have personally-favored candidates here, a second temple in Bolivia may be the most imminent prospect. For Bolivia and Colombia, I have listed two potential locations each due to my inability to narrow those down to one.  
[xv]The South America South Area has likewise seen very significant and rapidly expanding growth. So again, with President Nelson’s extensive temple-building plans in mind, I have considered the most imminent prospects for future temples in this area, and the factors mentioned in previous notes hold true here as well. Currently, this area of the Church is served by 6 operating temples (1 of which is closed for renovation), and there were 2 more announced for this area last year. With that in mind, the 5 locations listed in this section seem to have the strongest case in their favor of a temple announced in the near future. And for Argentina and Chile, I list two cities each because the sets for each nation are about even in terms of their likelihood.  
[xvi]Although the North American continent (primarily in the United States) has seen somewhat of a stagnating growth situation, in light of the recent increased mentions of President Nelson’s ambitious temple-building plans, the likelihood is extremely high that the US and Canada will be included in whatever the plans are to expand the number of temples worldwide. The locations listed below represent what I believe are the most imminent prospects for each of the now-8 North American areas of the Church.
[xvii]For purposes of simplification, I have chosen to list my temple candidates for Canada in a separate section from those elsewhere in the United States. So the North American areas listed below will not include these Canadian candidate cities. Of the two, Lethbridge may be more of a long shot. But Victoria has been mentioned to me as a prospect due to the cost and arduous nature of the journey to worship at the Vancouver British Columbia Temple.  
[xviii]As mentioned in previous notes, on the one hand, it may be difficult (if not impossible) to gauge the imminent likelihood of any locations. But as also mentioned, in view of some of the relevant factors, I can see the merits of each location listed here. Particularly, I heard a report of a public proposal of a temple for Missoula Montana. Pueblo made the list due to a report I received of high attendance numbers at the Denver Colorado Temple. For Kansas, Iowa, and South Dakota, mileage is the main factor driving my choices, and a temple (if only a smaller one) seems likely for all three states in the near future. A temple in Iowa could be named for Mount Pisgah, a significant landmark in the pioneer history of the Church.
[xix]Given the steady growth of the Church in Ohio and Pennsylvania, second temples for each seem to be likely sooner rather than later. And New Jersey, Maine, and Vermont may each be eligible for a temple of their own given the distance factor, and the rigors of travel involved in getting to their currently assigned temples.
[xx]The Saints in both Fairbanks and Juneau have an arduously lengthy journey to get to their assigned temple in Anchorage. While both may have equal merits in terms of their eligibility for a temple of their own, my research shows Fairbanks may be first in line for such a prospect. But I would anticipate temples in both cities within the next 5-15 years, if not sooner.
[xxi]Since the Saints in Jackson currently have an arduous journey to get to their assigned temple, it is my opinion that a temple will be announced in that city sooner rather than later. And an arduous journey also factors in to my reasoning for temples in Shreveport, Jacksonville, Knoxville, and Savannah. If, as I anticipate, President Nelson plans to prioritize the mileage factor and also filling in the gaps that exist in temple district coverage, then any or all of these may simply be a matter of time.
[xxii]Things are a little tricky for this area of the Church. Given that the Saints assigned to the districts of temples over the Mexican border might possibly have a harder time accessing those temples in the future, some have offered very specific opinions about the merits of some of the candidate cities which are listed here. But I am basing my theories on the potential location of an Arkansas temple on information from a friend indicating that land has been held in reserve in that city for a temple for several years now. And I am basing my picks for temples in Texas and New Mexico on the opinion of someone living within the current Dallas Texas Temple district. This individual noted that Fort Worth would almost certainly be the next Texas city to get a temple. So if border issues arise, those could be ameliorated by a temple in Las Cruces, which would likely also cover El Paso for the time being. Arizona and Nevada both fall under the “Mormon corridor”, and I have heard that Flagstaff may well be the most likely Arizona city to get a temple. Both Elko and Ely have arduous journeys to their assigned temples in Utah, so It seems to be just a matter of time before one (or both) of them get a temple of their own, and I feel the next Nevada temple location is too close to call.
[xxiii]With a temple announced last October for Yuba City, a temple in Bakersfield might potentially be delayed, but however long it might take, I am reasonably confident that that city will be the next one in California to get a temple of its’ own, as I have been anticipating such a prospect for almost as long as I have been offering my thoughts on future temple locations.  
[xxiv]A temple site was publicly mentioned as being held in reserve in April 2005 for a temple in the Southwest Salt Lake Valley. Though no official confirmation has occurred, if my research is correct, the land in question has been the subject of a border dispute between Herriman and Bluffdale cities, but is currently owned by the city of Herriman. For Heber City, Tooele, Preston, and Evanston, they all seem to have an equal likelihood of having a temple announced in the near future. And Elder Steven E. Snow, who was born in Washington County, recently told the Saints there at a stake conference that someone from the Temple Department had indicated to him that a third Washington County temple would be needed in the not-too-distant future. For these reasons, I couldn’t narrow any of these selections down, at least not for the moment.


30 comments:

  1. I agree with the possibility of a temple in the UAE. In fact, Elder Bednar visited there sometime late January or early February as part of an 18-day assignment following the media day for the Rome Temple. The other places he visited included Jerusalem, Kurdistan, and Egypt. For UAE, it was only mentioned that he visited both Abu Dhabi and Dubai and conducted a meeting with the Abu Dhabi Stake and met with youth and young adults in the region. Perhaps an assessment of the area for a possible temple occurred as well?

    https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2019-02-14/elder-bednar-on-the-bond-he-feels-with-ancient-apostles-during-first-visit-to-jerusalem-refugees-middle-east-holy-land-rome-italy-temple-lds-charities-48957

    Good revised layout of your notes. I think that helps to improve the flow.

    I have been meaning to comment on your original post, but I have been busy with school and haven't had much time to develop my list for potential temples yet. I hope to do that this coming weekend or next week. I think it is good to have a large list because of the wide array of possibilities of temple locations (recent growth, large temple districts, far distance from nearest temples, etc). I will probably compose my list similarly by country/geographic area. While I haven't composed it yet, here are my initial thoughts for April Conference if temples are announced:

    United States: 1-3 (NW Arkansas top pick)
    South America: 2-3 (2nd Bolivia at top spot, others either in Peru, Northern Chile, Southern Argentina, or Brazil)
    Africa: 2-3 (Sierra Leone, Madagascar, and Nigeria #3 are my top picks)
    Asia: 1-2 (Ulaanbaatar top pick, 2nd in Taiwan, Singapore or Indonesia)
    Other areas (Central America, Caribbean, Europe, or Pacific): 2-3 (I think we will see another announced in Europe soon in either Austria, Hungary, Scotland, or Norway; Mexico #15, Guatemala or Honduras, 2nd in Tonga or Samoa, New Caledonia or Vanuatu, Jamaica)
    Dark Horse/Surprise Announcements: 1-2 (Dubai or Abu Dhabi UAE; This could be anything from a state or province with only a couple of stakes/districts, country that has only had a church presence for relatively short time or first stakes created within the past sever years, country where no stakes have been created yet, or any place that no one has really guessed or though about before).

    That's my thoughts right now. It will probably be revised soon as we get closer to conference. Looking forward to hearing other people's thoughts and predictions!

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    1. Hello, Eric, and thank you very much for taking time to comment. I greatly appreciate the fact that I can always count on your thoughtful, thorough feedback. I had been aware of Elder Bendar's visit to the Middle East/Africa North Area, and might have even posted content about it on this blog previously. It wouldn't shock me if he was sizing up the prospects of a UAE temple, especially since we have recently had apostles visit a certain area just prior to or not long after a temple is announced for such locations. And the real bonus is that Elder Bednar now heads up the Temple and family History Executive Council, which means that President Nelson is probably particularly relying on Elder Bednar's assessment about a certain area's readiness for a temple.

      Glad you like the adjustments. The credit for them goes to scotts for suggesting it, and I like the feel of this version much better myself. As to your initial thoughts on future temples, I think you may be spot on with your assessment of the number of likely temple announcements for the United States, since the last couple of sets of temple announcements have included 2 each (3 last October, if Puerto Rico's status as a US territory is considered.

      It wouldn't surprise me if we saw announcements in all the South American areas you mentioned. Your Africa picks are solid.

      And given that Asia has seen one new temple announced with the last 2 sets of temple announcements, at least one temple there seems to be a solid choice. Any European pick would be great, as each one you mentioned has lots of merit to the idea of a temple. Mexico is always a prospect, if the moment is right. Central America may well be in need of a second temple. And the Pacific contains a host of solid candidates. There are always dark horse picks. But if the location of the 19 temples President Nelson announced last year are any indication whatsoever, some of those "dark horse picks" may be more imminently likely than we might currently realize. Thanks again for taking time to comment, Eric.

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  2. Does anyone have any other thoughts on this list which they'd like to share? I'd love to hear more feedback from any who would like to provide it. My thanks again to you all.

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  3. I will just throw out this question again: Does anyone have any other thoughts on this list? Have I covered all the likely options for next month? Is there anything I have missed? And if, as I anticipate, President Nelson shares his temple-expansion plans next month, how and when might that happen? Any thoughts whatsoever that any of you have would be welcome and appreciated. The open commenting period on this list remains intact for the next 3 weeks or so, so i'd love to hear any other thoughts any of you have. Thanks again to you all for everything you contribute to the dialogue about topics covered here.

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  4. I have thought about capitals in countries with temples. What about Ottawa Ontario, Canrbara Australia, La Paz or Sucre Bolivia (or both), Berlin Germany and others.

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    1. Sorry, Chris! I didn't realize when I posted my latest reply to you in the other thread that you had posted the same thoughts here. Last October, based on President Nelson's visit 1-3 months prior, I had Hamilton Ontario on my list. But then someone in the current Toronto district had commented to note attendance and activity issues with the current temple. Could a second Ontario Temple be on the horizon in the future? Maybe, but the comment about the lack of sufficient activity in Toronto might make that a more distant prospect.

      Australia is a difficult case to determine. I have no information on the current activity levels for temples there: just a note that they have been more busy since the Hamilton New Zealand Temple closed for renovation. I have looked at Ipswich as a potential prospective location, but I would put that as more of a prospect in 3-5 years, unless whatever we learn about President Nelson's plans makes that prospect more imminently likely. La Paz is on my list above, but might be the third Bolivian city to get a temple (as Santa Cruz might be more imminent). I'd put that one within the next 3-5 General Conferences.

      Germany's a difficult case to gauge as well. Once the Frankfurt temple reopens, the imminence of a temple in Berlin may become more apparent. Since Europe is still reportedly in a state of stagnated growth, I am not sure whether or not I should expand my list of European candidate cities. I had considered adding Vilnius Lithuania, due to then-Elder Ballard having publicly proposed a temple for that city around 15-20 years ago, but couldn't find sufficient justification to do so this go-round. Once we have a better sense of the extent and timing associated with President Nelson's plans, I see myself expanding this list in all sorts of ways. Thanks, as always, Chris, for taking time to comment.

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    2. I don't see Ottawa getting one anytime soon. They currently attend the Montreal temple which is only 2 hours away. A temple in Ottawa would likely only serve one stake and one district (Ottawa and Kingston) and for several members one of the other temples in the area (Montreal and Toronto) would be closer.

      As far as the list, I wonder what you think about Christchurch New Zealand. Even before Hamilton closed down, it was quite expensive and a long journey for many Saints on the Southern Island. It would serve two stakes and one district.

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    3. Correction a temple in Ottawa may also serve some parts of the Sudbury Stake.

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    4. Hello, and thanks for sharing your thoughts. As I mentioned, I had thought about a temple for Hamilton Ontario in view of President Nelson's visit there last year. But someone living in the Toronto Ontario Temple district was kind enough to let me know that a temple to split the current district likely wouldn't be feasible until the attendance numbers at the Toronto Temple improve, and I imagine the same is true for the Montreal temple as well.

      As for your suggestion of Christchurch New Zealand, I crunched some distaqnces just now. It looks like the Saints in that city currently travel 592.1 miles one-way to worship at the Hamilton New Zealand Temple, and that journey is, of course, longer now since July of last year when that temple closed for renovation. And it looks as though the temple announced for Auckland would be around 80 miles further than that. I will certainly be doing more study on that prospect in the future. Thank you for suggesting it.

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  5. What are your thoughts on Albania receiving a temple?

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  6. Europe has a multi-fold problem when it comes to potential future temples. The biggest part of that is that Europe, especially in certain areas, is experiencing stagnating growth to a degree that there has been some consolidation of branches, wards, districts, and stakes throughout that continent. Political turmoil in Russia is such that getting a temple built there (as announced last April) will be a challenge that may take several years to get off the ground.

    That said, the Rome Italy Temple has now been dedicated, the Lisbon Portugal Temple will follow in mid-September, and the groundbreaking on the Praia Cape Verde Temple will occur roughly one month following General Conference.

    There are also only 13 congregations in Albania (as of December of 2017). So other areas may be a priority. In the meantime, there is a solid case (as I noted above) supporting the idea of temples in Budapest Hungary, Edinburgh Scotland, Vienna Austria, and Oslo Norway, so all of those cities will likely be prioritized before a temple in Albania is even considered.

    That said, if and when President Nelson announces his plans, the known details may be game-changing in terms of likely prospects. So I will say that, until he details those plans, Albania seems more like a long-shot. Thanks for the great question.

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  7. Is Cape Verde "Europe"? Yeah, it's Portuguese territory, but it's more West Africa if we are gonna put a region to it...

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    1. Don't know whether you're aware of this or not, but the Church does not draw branch, ward, district, stake, mission, temple district, or area boundaries in the same way the world draws its' geographical boundaries. Cape Verde is an anomaly in that respect. We don't need to "put a region to" Cape Verde. The Church already has, which is why Elder Paul V. Johnson, as President of the Europe Area, will be presiding at the May 4 groundbreaking for the Praia Cabo Verde Temple, rather than Elder Marcus B. Nash, who presides over the Church's Africa West Area. If I didn't already explain this, anytime I refer to anything about a Church subject, I will be talking in terms of Church definitions, rather than those of the rest of the world. Fair enough?

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    2. Oh, I have no issue with you. But it is quite confounding the Church Classifies it as "European." As a European, this is not considered Europe in any way... It's like considering Brazil "European" because they speak Portuguese. It just makes the Church appear "Americanized" not using basic geography the same way Europeans or (some) Africans would do. Do you know why the Church considered a temple in Cape Verde to be a "European" temple?

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    3. It's not serving Europeans... even if the church classifies it as "European." But that doesn't matter -- as long as its serving people. (I just can't wrap my head around this arbitrary "European" label).

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    4. I don't claim to have all the answers. At best, I have the ability to share what I know and try to learn about anything that may be beyond my present knowledge or any expertise I have in such matters. And there are certainly some things that don't make sense to me, regardless of how much I do or do not know about such subjects.

      The boundary issue is one that is more than a bit beyond my knowledge, and I'd agree with you that, just based on world geography or other boundary lines, there are certainly things that don't make sense to me in that respect.

      Having noted that, I am reminded of a line in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, from which I have quoted in previous replies on this blog, whether to you or to someone else. I don't have any way of knowing which is the case, since I have not been given a name to work with in any of my interactions with you on this.

      That aside, the line I want to share comes from "Doctor Strange". The title character is talking to his trainer, the Ancient One, about control, and about how surrendering control can help one gain more complete control. Doctor Strange says that idea doesn't make sense to him, to which the Ancient One replies: "Not everything does. Not everything has to." I like the idea presented in this quote.

      The Lord reminded us in Isaiah 58 that His ways and thoughts are higher than our ways and thoughts. Elsewhere in the scriptures, the Lord instructs us that anything said or done by the elders of the Church under the authority He has given them will be considered as having the same effect as if the Lord had done these things Himself.

      The Church has a Boundary and Leadership Change Committee, which includes in its' membership several General Authorities and at least one member of the Quorum of the Twelve who chairs that committee. No change in any local leadership of the Church or in the boundaries of current units is ever implemented without the approval of that committee. So there is a solid rationale for every boundary line that is drawn; the rationale for each choice may simply not be known to any of us because we are not responsible for needing to know about or understand that rationale.

      What I do know is this: boundary lines as drawn for any cluster of regions anywhere in the world have to be drawn around property and territorial lines, and they have to allow for uneven terrain that would affect travel or anything that could create an undue hardship (by either rigor or expense) for the distances involved.

      With all of that in mind, seen from a personal perspective, with the factors you mentioned (which would be well-taken, very valid, and extremely relevant points under any worldly circumstances or rationales) doesn't make much sense.

      But where the Church is concerned, inspiration is the one variable that we need to account for in this equation. Why does Cape Verde fall under the Europe Area instead of the Africa West Area? Because the Brethren who deliberated the boundaries of the areas involved received confirmation from the Lord that those areas needed to be divided that way.

      President Nelson's first General Conference address to the general membership of the Church covered the topic of revelation for the Church, and revelation for our personal lives. All of us need to do what it takes to keep the channels of revelation opened, because when we do that, anything the Church and its' leaders have done, are doing, and will yet do will make sense to us because the Lord will confirm to our souls that such decisions are inspired. It really is that simple. Hope these insights, for what they make be worth, are helpful to you.

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    5. Thank you!! I appreciate the way you navigated through that question and respective answer. It was an impossible question to ask of you -- and I know you don't hold the answers -- but I like your two cents on the matter. (Creative points for drawing upon Marvel!) Thanks!!

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  8. I am just curious if you know something solid about this new temple expansion plan that Pres. Nelson will address. Is this based on hypothesis considering his patterns within the last year -- or did he specifically say already there is a new temple plan in progress?

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    1. President Nelson has not officially addressed his plans, which makes things a little difficult. But what I do have is various statements from apostles, either from those who heard it directly, or those who heard it from someone who heard it from someone who heard an apostle say it. Second- or third-hand accounts do make it difficult at times. And since I have no direct connection to any apostles myself, I am reliant on the reports from others who have heard things said.

      With that noted, I do know that I heard at one point (again, as a second- or third-hand report rather than a primary one) that there were going to need to be preliminary steps taken before anything official was announced by President Nelson regarding his plans. And since I last heard that, there have been several preliminary steps, not the least of which have been the changes to the Church's online donation slips (which have eliminated all but the Temple Construction category from a priority place on that slip). I have heard it theorized (and thus theorize myself, following my study on the matter), that the temples in San Juan, Praia, and Yigo may be "test" cases to gauge how easily approval could be granted for smaller temples. Based on the fact that all three will have construction well underway within a year of their announcement, smaller temples that take roughly 2 years to build may be part of the "new norm."

      One or two other thoughts, if I may. Someone commenting on this blog earlier noted that Elder Quentin L. Cook had implied a ten-fold increase might be the end goal. If that is the case, we are looking at an unprecedented increase in the number of temples worldwide.

      But I also need to add a disclaimer: Unless and until President Nelson chooses to make an official mention of his plans (which may, if that is done, be detailed in General Conference, and that could be done next month), second- or third-hand accounts of those who have talked to various apostles of the Church need to be taken with a grain of salt.

      I have felt confident enough in what I have indirectly heard to expand my list to what it is above, but unless and until the prophet confirms the details, extent, and timing of his plans, I cannot personally verify that anything reportedly said by any apostles is anything more than anecdotal. I hope that answers your question. Thanks.

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    2. I should also add that, while I am hoping President Nelson will take some time next month to detail his plans with specificity, I have not heard or seen anything that would categorically prove that would be the case. So the theory that those plans could (or will) be detailed is conjecture at best, based on information I have personally found, or which has been brought to my attention through a second- or third-hand report. So my belief that he might or even probably will detail those plans next month is nothing more that conjecture and personal theory at this time.

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  9. Fair enough. Thanks for taking the time to explain this! I must say, I am very excited about this news! As Europeans living in Canada, our home countries do not have temples so we are quite thrilled to hear even mentioning of a possible temple expansion. I found your thoughts on the "test" Temples for the smaller temples truly fascinating! You're quite a researcher!

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    1. Not a problem. As President Nelson reminded us in April: "Good inspiration is based on good information." So if he is planning a large-scale increase in the number of temples, it would make sense that he would want and need to test how best to do that in a few cases before implementing a wide-scale increase.

      The one difficulty I keep coming back to is, without knowing the specific extent or timing involved with whatever those plans entail, it's almost impossible to figure out how thorough any list of locations could be.

      Depending on what happens next month (in terms of whether or not President Nelson details his plans), if and when we know more, we will have some idea of how far to extend any list of potential locations for the near and more distant future. It will be exciting, to be sure. Thanks again for taking time to comment.

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  10. Are you aware of any blogs (have you compiled a list) that predict any announcements/changes for this upcoming General Conference?

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    1. There is, of course, the Church Growth Blog, updated regularly by Matthew Martinich, which can be found at the address below:

      http://ldschurchgrowth.blogspot.com

      And if you run a cursory Google search for the April 2019 General Conference, that could provide you with the top results that share theories and predictions in that respect. I'd start there.

      I haven't heard as many rumors this go-round as I did during either of the 2018 General Conferences. President Nelson has said the process of restoration is still occurring for the Church, and he also said that if we thought 2018 was exciting, we should wait until 2019 and the years that follow.

      That said, without being privy to the deliberations going on at Church headquarters, I don't know what exactly to predict or anticipate. But I do stand by my theory that President Nelson could (and likely will) detail the extent, scope, and timing of his plans, in addition to announcing new temples.

      If you look at the "tags" section for this blog (located to the left), one reads "General Conference", which may give you more insight into some thoughts I have shared about the upcoming General Conference.

      There are plenty of sites out there to cover such things. Good luck in your search!

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    2. It may also be worthwhile to mention to you that I have had a long-term appreciation for General Conference developments. For the last 12 years or so, as a result of extensive study on my part, I have put together a document of compiled General Conference predictions. The contents and extent of those predictions has evolved since then. So if you look at the posts with the "General Conference" tag, that can lead you to some of my thoughts on that subject. I intend to tag any other posts to which they have not been added at some point, but for now, that will give you a place to start for the upcoming General Conference. Thanks again.

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  11. As far as you know, has the Church been recognized in Kuwait? I could not find any sources or documentations for it, but I've read it in commentary on Matt's blog.

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    1. You can find the answers to your question in the following Google search I just ran:

      https://www.google.com/search?q=The+LDS+Church+in+Kuwait&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS791US791&oq=The+LDS+Church+in+Kuwait&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i64l2.6625j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

      The main problem with the development of the Church anywhere in the defined boundaries of the Church's Middle East/Africa North Area is that the membership is largely comprised of Latter-day Saint military personnel (although there are a few non-military individuals and families living there presently), which makes it somewhat difficult for the Church to establish firm roots in any of the nations in that area. Hope that answers your questions. Feel free to let me know if you have any other questions. Thank you.

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  12. I can google too... lol... You can rest assure that your readers are at least capable of doing that on their own. :) I was more wondering if you had something other than google to refer to since the commentator specifically mentioned Feb. 2019 (and I can't find anything on google to verify that).

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    1. Since I have no way of knowing whether or not I am dealing with the same individual anytime I interact with someone using the "Unknown" or "Anonymous" moniker, as I mentioned in a previous comment, I find it better to not make any assumptions about my readers. To do so would be blindly misguided on my part at best, and blatantly arrogant personally at worst. That is one reason I requested that those not posting with a regular user name give me a name, any name to work with. I regret seeing that my request is not being honored. Odd that I'm expected to answer questions without knowing to whom I'm supposed to direct my answer.

      That aside, since I am not a Church growth expert by any stretch of the imagination (as my expertise, where it exists, bends towards other subjects), I am solely reliant for information on Church growth matters based on posts and/or comments on the Church growth blog. Since I have not been able to follow the latest conversation threads there for the last little while, it would be inappropriate for me to try to offer an opinion on a matter about which I have not personally read.

      That is one big reason why I provided the Google search results. Without personal knowledge of what has and has not been said by Matt or anyone else on the Church growth blog of late, I cannot give an informed opinion on this matter. I hope anyone reading this comment will understand my reasoning for expressing myself in this manner at this time, and I apologize on my part for any misunderstanding for which I may have been responsible at any point in this thread.

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